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Minimum supplier - consumer distance
« on: August 24, 2007, 10:31:43 AM »
This new factory chain annoys me... The supplier (furniture factory) and consumer (shopping center) is barely 2 tiles away! How do you expect to have any profit? (even on such a profitable furniture transport!)
Although the factories outside cities are placed reasonably apart allowing modest profits by road, but the ones in cities are frequently close. (this one was the closest I've seen!)

So I request a minimum supplier - consumer distance in the settings.

Thanks.

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Re: Minimum supplier - consumer distance
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2007, 10:39:24 AM »
Sounds reasonable...  Thumb up
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Re: Minimum supplier - consumer distance
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2007, 10:48:47 AM »
The minimum distance is 6 tiles. However, with the huge pak128 factories (this is 4x4km size!), this easily reproduces the situation in the image. Some additional effort can prevent this; unfortunately place sort is the slowest part for chain generation Sad
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Re: Minimum supplier - consumer distance
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2007, 11:09:06 AM »
What about changing minimum distance to be between borders of factory, rather than from the single factory tile (maybe also add it to simuconf?)
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Re: Minimum supplier - consumer distance
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2007, 11:12:54 AM »
I think it would be good enough if that value wasn't fixed but changeable in simuconf.tab (or so). Should be the easiest solution - pak64 players can leave it at 6 and pak128 players can change it to whatever they like.
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Re: Minimum supplier - consumer distance
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2007, 11:56:42 AM »
Quote from: kierongreen on August 24, 2007, 11:09:06 AM
What about changing minimum distance to be between borders of factory, rather than from the single factory tile (maybe also add it to simuconf?)
Quote from: DirrrtyDirk on August 24, 2007, 11:12:54 AM
I think it would be good enough if that value wasn't fixed but changeable in simuconf.tab (or so). Should be the easiest solution - pak64 players can leave it at 6 and pak128 players can change it to whatever they like.
Thumb up Pretty much what I wanted to say! In fact I don't mind if its hard-coded into the engine, but increasing it to some value for pak128 would definitely help. Reading the largest factory size while reading paks on first starting the game and then fixing the minimum distance.

In 1 way I disagree to keep it customizable... It would increase the calculations when building factory chain and also by increasing it to a large value, it would mean easy profits for nothing. I actually like the fact that some factories around the city are so close that even though the finished goods is profitable, it doesn't have much to travel if its in the same city, thereby limiting your profits. (Though some reasonable distance is always desired, as is the subject)
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Re: Minimum supplier - consumer distance
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2007, 01:13:41 PM »
Quote from: TheUniqueTiger on August 24, 2007, 11:56:42 AM
In 1 way I disagree to keep it customizable... It would increase the calculations when building factory chain and also by increasing it to a large value, it would mean easy profits for nothing. I actually like the fact that some factories around the city are so close that even though the finished goods is profitable, it doesn't have much to travel if its in the same city, thereby limiting your profits. (Though some reasonable distance is always desired, as is the subject)
Customizing means additional reading at startup and replace prior constants by variables in the engine. That does not increase  calculation time, and I don't see that the random setting of factories and customers will  increase with a larger minimum distance value  drool
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Re: Minimum supplier - consumer distance
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2007, 01:59:47 PM »
Quote from: TonyBzt on August 24, 2007, 01:13:41 PM
Customizing means additional reading at startup and replace prior constants by variables in the engine. That does not increase  calculation time, and I don't see that the random setting of factories and customers will  increase with a larger minimum distance value  drool
About customizing, what I meant was the factory-placing might take more time, being of the opinion that if the value was increased, it would go into a more complex randomizing calculation.
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Re: Minimum supplier - consumer distance
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2007, 05:09:46 PM »
Quote from: TheUniqueTiger on August 24, 2007, 01:59:47 PM
About customizing, what I meant was the factory-placing might take more time, being of the opinion that if the value was increased, it would go into a more complex randomizing calculation.
Why ?
The setting algorithm may be complicated, but why should it be more complex with different parameter values ?
the allowed area to set factory and/or customer will be smaller with a greater circle around the factory.

Nevertheless I would prefer more customizing possibilities   Thumb up
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