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General discussion about how to offer the packages (installer, archives)
Last Edit: April 01, 2007, 01:17:38 PM by Isaac.Eiland-Hall
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Re: Suggestion: Pak homepages should have a screenshot on the homepage
Hmm... Installer is another idea entirely -- after all, with exe + pak, all one has to do is unpack into a folder somewhere...

However, that may encourage downloads--  but I would highly recommend we make certain different versions install to different locations...
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Re: Suggestion: Pak homepages should have a screenshot on the homepage
I have too small connection (so far) to help with packages, but I'd like to be INTO the project! Thumb up
Installer seem a very good idea to me as well.
Standard user package should be
1) exe
2) either pak 128 or pak 64 or both
3) simustart or similar
4) simuconfig or similar
5) links on the desktop/start menu/quick launch
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Re: Suggestion: Pak homepages should have a screenshot on the homepage
Hi,

I was thinking about this (and I may have got it wrong as usual) but to keep it simple why not just pack as a self extracting archive, its easy and quick.

No work for the downloader as it just takes a double click to extract everything.

I`ve attached a test zip for pak64. (latest pak+exec+waste chain) It extracts everything to c:\Simutrans and puts a shortcut to the game in c: (root) (if there`s any interest in this method, I`ll try and workout how to put the shortcut on the desktop)

The destination folder can of course be anything you decide it to be and if the user wants to, he/she can change it easily before the files are extracted.

I`ve used winzip, but the end user doesn`t need to have winzip on his machine with this method.

Download Pak64

Just a thought,  ponder

shunter
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Re: Suggestion: Pak homepages should have a screenshot on the homepage
I would suggest against starting with a root of c:\ -- I would recommend retaining the "subfolder" of "simutrans", just like the current downloads.

1) It's already a nice standard

2) Users may not want files at c:\simutrans

3) We should encourage unzipping of different packages to different locations to help avoid problems.

My opinions...

But also, I'll get the subdomain and board working today, so we can continue to discuss here, and I'll move this topic when it's ready... I'll create a public and private board for discussions (private mostly for sharing of password and discussion of webpage design and updates)
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Re: Suggestion: Pak homepages should have a screenshot on the homepage
I would suggest against starting with a root of c:\ -- I would recommend retaining the "subfolder" of "simutrans", just like the current downloads.

2) Users may not want files at c:\simutrans



C:\ was just used in this example, it could be c:\games\simutrans or anything else thats decided. Also when you double click the exec it opens a dialogue box that can be changed to anything. In this case it would say c:\ if the user then added my transport games\ it would unpack to c:\my transport games\simutrans.

For different paks it could just be made as Simutrans\pak64  or simutrans\pak128 etc. but this will, I`m sure be discussed and decided on.

Another advantage is that it can(or not) automatically over-write existing files, so as paks are updated, so would the users installation be.

Simusetup automatically installs to c:\program files\simutrans, maybe that might be considered. Personally, I prefer not to put games in there as in explorer there are so many folders in \program files it takes ages to navigate to simutrans, but thats just me  y_thbbt

I don`t know if this would work for Linux and Macs, so it`s probably all academic anyway.

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Re: Suggestion: Pak homepages should have a screenshot on the homepage
C:\program files\simutrans could be fine if we create a link on desktop, in start menu, in quick launch bar etc... A n00bie don't care about tweaking the folder, so they just have to click the icon. Icons could be created for simuconfig as well, if they want to do some tweak, they can.

Packages could be
1) basic64: exe + pak 64 + icons
2) basic128: exe + pak 128 + icons
3) premium64: exe + pak 64 + icons + simuconfig + Ormac's guides
4) premium128: exe + pak 128 + icons + simuconfig + Ormac's guides
5) ultimate: exe + pak 64 + pak 128 + icons for both + simuconfig + Ormac's guides

These "marketing" names are for targetting players: what to they want? and how much and fast can they download? wink
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Re: Suggestion: Pak homepages should have a screenshot on the homepage
And one more thing to add in. Do you think we have forgotten our addons?

Maybe something like this:
Packages could be
1) basic64: exe + pak 64 + icons
2) basic128: exe + pak 128 + icons
3) premium64: exe + pak 64 + icons + simuconfig + Ormac's guides+All the addons
4) premium128: exe + pak 128 + icons + simuconfig + Ormac's guides+All the addons
5) ultimate: exe + pak 64 + pak 128 + icons for both + simuconfig + Ormac's guides+Both Pak Addons


And(it is low priority)should we have a video/ads/flash about Simutrans. Something like Simutrans Promo video but slightly shorter and faster.
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Re: Suggestion: Pak homepages should have a screenshot on the homepage
 Cry

hardly anybody remembers simuSetup Sad
BTW shunter: you can change the path, where simuSetup installs simutrans, and it will even save the structure and use it next time.

what about napik's great page:
http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php/topic,3265.0.html
http://www.simutrans.com/play.php


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Re: Suggestion: Pak homepages should have a screenshot on the homepage
Don't be sad! We have not forgotten it just slip off our mind. You must remember there are so many Simutrans Tools, it would not be easy to remember all without reminding.  Wink
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Re: Suggestion: Pak homepages should have a screenshot on the homepage
Hi,

Simusetup is a great program,  y_worship in fact, I can`t think of how a new download of Simutrans could be easier.(except maybe for the completely new to computers)

It certainly shouldn`t be forgotten.

Maybe with a few tweaks it could meet the needs of what is being discussed here.

shunter
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Re: Suggestion: Pak homepages should have a screenshot on the homepage
So a direct link to Simusetup in each page and visible?
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Re: Suggestion: Pak homepages should have a screenshot on the homepage
That would be great.  Thumb up

Robofish: at the moment it only seems to give the option for pak64 (just tried it again) could it be made possible to select from all available paks?

It takes less than a minute to install simutrans pak64 and puts a shortcut on the desktop (optional) and as soon as its finished downloading you can go straight into playing the game - Brilliant, thats exactly what I imagine newbies want.

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Re: Suggestion: Pak homepages should have a screenshot on the homepage
Some good ideas outlined above:

1. Simusetup is *absolutely* a great addition to the downloads on get.simutrans.com.

2. Links to the guides would also be great.


You know, really, if there was some way for use to help keep Simusetup up to date with every release, that would be about the best solution.

Simuconfig should also make an appearance. Smiley
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Re: Suggestion: Pak homepages should have a screenshot on the homepage
You know, really, if there was some way for use to help keep Simusetup up to date with every release, that would be about the best solution.
Web-Interface is under construction. (But my time is short atm, and also simuUpdate is still under construction)

Robofish: at the moment it only seems to give the option for pak64 (just tried it again) could it be made possible to select from all available paks?
Problem: pak128 is not available for some versions, often just with patches. Patches are technicaly supported in simuSetup, I just don't have the time to fetch them all, because I don't play pak128 usually. Sometimes it's just .rar (not supported in simuSetup, support would make it a lot bigger)
So a web-interface will help here too, because a couple of persons could do these patches or repack pak128.

Simuconfig should also make an appearance. Smiley
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Re: Suggestion: Pak homepages should have a screenshot on the homepage
Not bad!  Thumb up I ad forgot about that project  redface
Posted on: March 31, 2007, 05:37:15 PM
I agree with all of the above, Simusetup and SimuConfig should be linked and the outlining info about them.
 

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Re: Suggestion: Pak homepages should have a screenshot on the homepage
I agree with all of the above, Simusetup and SimuConfig should be linked and the outlining info about them.

Linked? I'd rather say included in zips/installer. Too many links confuse new players!
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Re: Suggestion: Pak homepages should have a screenshot on the homepage
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Linked? I'd rather say included in zips/installer. Too many links confuse new players!
[/quote]  I agree   for me is it has difficul to understand how put new version so to have more zip rar my good i need a computer curse

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Re: Suggestion: Pak homepages should have a screenshot on the homepage
Try SimuSetup: http://setup.simutrans.com/
it does all that for you Smiley

And in future that shall be task of Get Simutrans


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Re: Suggestion: Pak homepages should have a screenshot on the homepage
And it should like to the website, to simusetup.simutrans, or directly to the .zip containing it?

I'd go for simusetup.zip directly, mind if I do it ASAP?
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