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I support the idea of using the road engine for simulating a two-way railroad, even though I obviously see issues with signals and stuff...

That said, please do not dismiss it right away, even if it would require a whole new signalling engine - please put it on hold then. IIRC, TTD uses the two-track signalling system, and I guess people over @ OpenTTD and TTDPatch have cracked the way it works, so perhaps they could give you (our wonderful dev team) a hand?

Support!

I'm not very enthusiastic about this...

How would double track lines link up with single track for example?

My preferred solution is to make all roads one way, and to allow construction of two way roads by placing one way roads adjacent to each other automatically. Road and rail vehicles would have collision detection, so that both would be affected by congestion (maybe with some way of stopping road vehicles moving onto a level crossing if other side was occupied). Rails would then be placed directly over roads (on same alignment) - so you could decide to have on or off street trams depending on your budget and need to avoid congestion.
A side affect would be the need for city buildings to be allowed that are greater than 1x1 (else would be tiny in comparison to roads, that would be 2 tiles + wide. Another problem would be that rail station would have quite thin platforms compared to the current ones. Default station coverage would probably have to be doubled as well (and passenger generation balanced). Also no idea how road and tram, crossing with railways would be handled (possibly by allowing 3 ways per tile).
Just my opinion, and note - this would require a *lot* of work (even if it were decided this was the way forward), definitely a Simutrans 2 rather than 1 feature! However I would prefer for this to be implemented in a long term way rather than in an inflexible, short term way.

Al la transport tycoon? Theoretically yes (with some work - changing ribi system, or creating another variable to hold this information), but this would create more problems (particularly, since only 2 ways are supported per tile you couldn't use this when crossing roads). Also transitions to and from this type of tile would have to be sorted out.
Again, I'm not very enthusiastic...

My assumption was that the system would be incompatible; that the "rail" vehicles would, in fact, be special road vehicles, and would therefore not be able to interact with "standard" rail vehicles/track in any way.


I didn't suggest this because it's basically been denied forever -- with good reason, I realize it would be a bear to impliment. Thus the request for something that might be an acceptable solution... My thinking was that if there was already code that could be adapted *easily*, or pretty easily.... maybe this would be allowed.


In regards to scale, check out the pak160 proposed scale...

This is an actual implementation of it:

http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php/topic,4357.msg35847.html#msg35847

Also, here are my [...] attempts to show:

http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php/topic,4349.msg35775.html#msg35775

I have two variants of the idea; the "four lane" and the "five lane".

The four lane is outlined with the above links, and consists of (left to right):
- 1/2 lane wide shoulder (which can be sidewalk, grass, shoulder, whatever)
- Single lane of traffic
- Single lane multi-purpose (center turn lane, center grass, extra "lane" space, tram)
- Single lane of traffic (see above)
- 1/2 lane shoulder (see above)

In other words, each full lane is 25% width of the tile...

BTW, for freeways, you can see in my screenshot -- although traffic only actually flows in the "right" of the three lanes, it's all aligned properly...

For the "five" lane system, it's as above, but the shoulders are full lane wide.



(Above posted at 2006.11.26 - 15.50.52)
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(2006.11.26 - 15.59.00) Subject: Re: road system type....

BTW, pictures are for the scale reference

Hehehehhe, that was a good one shunter! But wouldn't then be impossible to run these trains in single track?

Anyone:

Yes it would be impossible, these trains would only show in the road depot, If you were having single track as well, ordinary trains, you would need two sets.

The other drawback is that road-trains can only be 4 units long. 

back to the drawing board.............

yep. the ugliest game ever, thanks

As a sidenote, I was about to ask whether we could have road-based (rather than rail-based) trams, so I support this as a by-product

(sidenote to sidenote - it is important to make trams not turn around, or jump as it is now in case of road vehicles, on every tile, but only on those that have tracks allowing for that - a special tile would come in handy)

Locomotion is indeed a major letdown in terms of eye candy, or lack thereof Good to see Simutrans already surpassing established commercial competition in that field, thanks to our wonderful artists!

Coming back to the issue - however troublesome it may be, I would really like to ask the members of the dev team to rethink double tracks (TTD style), and how much additional coding would be necessary, even to put down a list for some future crazy developer that might join a team with too much time on his/her hands...

Nope, the Mythical Crazy Developer I can try to write somthing in Visual Basic, I don't think it would do

Allowing loanger road trains involves the change of two numbers, at the expense of some memory oerhead. This can be done easily.

IF it's easy enough - maybe simuconfi if you weren't thinking of it already? My only thinking is that would make sure nobody who didn't change it would go "ZOMG teh longz0r road trail0rzz!"

I think this would support a fun alternative -- like the fences that used rail waytype -- it would allow for us to play with dual track with maybe just a minimum of changes to the code (i.e. the length of road train)...

And I think it is reasonable to live without any other part of the requests in this thread.

If you do, in fact, do it - I thank you in advance.