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I'll try to post here latest 'build' of the set, with upgrades and the such, so you can all help the development.

This set is made over standard pak64, so some images might still be there. This'll change ASAP.

Feel free to post as much comments as you like, but note that this is still under construction.

Anyway, I'm waiting until I can finish the infrastructure and RoadVehicles until the first release is made.

Regards

Hi people,

There's a release, and it's still hot!

It's download, extract & play, since it includes Pak90.00.1 executable for windows.

Please report the bugs, I've worked hard to get this out in the streets, and the betatesting hasn't been torough.

Anyways, there's a bit of an august afternoon in each of those buildings and vehicles. Have fun.

No, meaning, I used and tiled them, didn't code them tough.

But since I kind of moved towards rendering, I made all player stations that way, looking for some consistency.

For those of you who prefer the Hand Drawn versions of stuff, well, they'll be released, but it's a much more tedious job, the copypasting, colour adjusting and everything.

Anyway, if tehre are going to be HandDrawn airports in the future, those are yours.

Regards

I won't even attempt at expressing my awe and respect here, as I said in another thread I am not good at that. But I am truly impressed.

I only tried it out for a limited time and did not really play, and I also had the effect in yoshi's screenshot. Why I didn't play is that I find it quite hard to play in such dark, starkly contrasted environment. I mean, the "land" tiles are mostly white, but then if you start building in the city, it suddenly gets dark with all the roads, buildings, catenaries etc. It also requires much more effort for my tired and not-so-well-working-anymore eyes to focus on a vehicle that turns from black to white while truning on a b/w/grayish background. I must also say that the menu icons are not that obvious - a handdrawn engine/truck etc. would be better than representations of roads/tracks...

In general, I would propose you again to reconsider switching to sephia (I mean something like "brownscale"), and using more ambient lighting not to create so much contrast between the "sun-facing" and shaded sides of objects. On the other hand, now I also remembered that I found it hard to find standalone industries and attractions, as they are in turn "white on white". So, if you are going to split the hand-drawn and rendered sets, I am all for the "19th century postcard" sephia look, which would work great with the Chicago-style buildings!

That said, I should come back to praising rather than nitpicking. Trolleybuses are simply awesome!!! They really require overhead wiring! Wohoo! Secondly, the villages are great! They look so natural...

I still can't get over the idea of road-vehicle-based trams... One more reason for that is that when you wire the streets for trolleybuses, then the additional wiring for trams becomes hard to discern and its hard to make sure whether you've wired the appropriate fragments of the streets...

Now, I thought that there is only one "road object" permitted per tile, so in the case of Pak96, its trolleybus wiring, while the tram wiring comes as an overlay for the tram track tile which is itself "overlayed" over the standard road tile... Here's a solution:

A NEW TYPE OF ROAD!

A road that comes with tram tracks, perhaps with a few "speed" variants! Then the wiring could work for both trolleybuses and trams (a bit of a stretch, perhaps...)  Perhaps there could also be a type of road tile that would work as "tram tracks only", which could be used by trams, but not road vehicles... Is that feasible?

Well... I've refrained from chiming in--mostly because I'm short on time, but partly because I don't want my words to be taken wrongly...

First, this is a huge undertaking that is going well -- Raven does such cool stuff.... I think if I *had* to pick a favorite artist of all the good ones we have... well... it would be extremely difficult... but overall, I think I'd have to pick Raven. But it would be tough.

OTOH, Raven starts these big projects and they seem to wither after a while-- hey, I can understand that... I never *did* finish my roads, and there are several things along the way that died-- and I didn't make the huge progress that Raven has, either... So please, that's not a complaint.

I am disappointed that the pure hand-drawn has taken a back seat to some of the rendered stuff-- I really really liked the hand-drawn stuff... The rendered monochrome I don't like how it turns out--- but I like the objects themselves... but it makes for an odd mix for a pak. BUT it's still fun to play....

But I find myself wishing I had the rendered things to play with in pak128 and/or pak64...

This is one of those situations, like Simutrans itself, where some of the disappointment is magnified from minor to moderate-- simply because it's so good to begin with. So please hear the positive I'm trying to say, because that's what I really mean.

But please please do keep backups of your work so later on if you (or even others) have time.... maybe the models could be colored for use in another pak-- or even as time passes, there might be enough for a purely rendered pak.

...because I really really like nearly everything here; maybe not so much in the present state somehow; but there's some really cool stuff here.

...I hope this came out right... I'll reread it later when it's cold so I can see if it says what I mean it to... Meanwhile, if I offend, at least let me know since I might not have meant something how I said it...

Raven, I love the monochrome rendered style Considering the speed with which you seem to be able to produce monochrome buildings, the variety very much outweighs the lack of colour.

I also like black & white rendered vehicles. Combination of HD natural objects and rendered artificial objects seems to be perfect for me.

another bug: postal_stop doesn't accept mails.

Oh yes, I also absolutely adore the wide selection of station buildings. And did I mention I love trolleybuses? Bigger towns look really great, though they appear as if they were in perpetual polar night... I'd give much to see the "daylight" version

Oh, btw - when removing tracks or overhead wiring from tracks, the "bulldozer" often stays on the tile it appeared on and behaves like an object, i.e. can be deleted just like city cars!

I am slowly getting accustomed to it all, but my eyes would still prefer more relaxing color combinations... Is it really necessary to render buildings and vehicles with such strong, one-side light, or would it be able to use stronger ambient lighting?

I thought Raven was in Chicago, Illinois, he's said lot's of stuff recently about it.

He's not the only one, I'm about 60 mile west of Isaac

Maybe because pak HD has all American stuff.

     FUN FUN ANIMALS!     

I love what you say, I love what I see! This bit of color is such a welcome addition to the sad world of b/w SimuTrans! I am still wondering whether the building could be lighted from another side (i.e. sun behind us or somewhere to either side), but I am guessing there are important technical reasons to have the sun behind the building.

PS. I would have never guessed Raven is not from Chicago or the US, let alone Spain!

now i recognise where that grey colour comes from i can *fully* see why you like monochrome, and also exactly how you can drop these things out so fast :-)

I actually like the look of these things, its like seeing a model railway, or plastic kit thats never been painted.. its very strange but somehow hypnotic.

Hi people

@Claire: That white monochrome is not the standard material if that's what you were thinking  . (But nearly)

@ Isaac: I burn a CD with all the simutrans content every 15 days or after a big release.

I'll update the web soon. I'm just in the mood for some trukin'. 7 generations of trucks (one every 30 years from 1900), so now is a good time to tell me what makes up for a good american truck for the years 1930,1960,1990, and I'm talking about the small ones, no semitrailers.

This is the marksman remodelled, I will delete old file, since is there really any reason to go back? If someone wants those files, just ask. BTW, I've prepared a blend file that by just pressing anim, churns out 5*8 images. This tech improvement allows me to release versions for other paks too. I'll post them in the appropiate topics.

Hey Isaac, want to come back on board of 96?

Regards

Raven

I'm in fact willing to visit the US & Canada one of these years.

About making an american set? Well, this I see everyday, and pak96 has to be different in a way or two.
Thanks for the feedback people.

Looking at my todo list, I'll try to correct one or two tings and make a release for latest version ASAP. Just don't get too attached to your old games since I'm introducing/changing a lot of things. As a matter of fact, here's one of the new 'monuments'

Regards

BTW do you mind If I add a bit of colour to the cityset? Those red and cream chicago buildigns look fine to me.

Well one tip is don't fly to Toronto International because it's the most expensive airport to land at in the world. If you want to visit Toronto, fly to Ottawa and take the VIA Train down even though it might cost the same as flying into Toronto with the train costs, you get to ride a Canadian Train and you will arrive in the heart of Toronto which you can transfer from the VIA Train to Torontos Subway or Streetcar System. Whichever system takes you to your hotel if you get one.

If you do choose to fly to Toronto by their airport, well you'll arrive about a hour and a half from Downtown which is where all the action is. And that's just driving time. Taking the bus to the Subway takes about 2 hours.

Now to stay on topic, can't wait for this colour release!!!