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Can you explain the part, why simutrans player need to be programmer to play the game??

As far as i know you just need to unpack everything to the right place and click a .exe file and then play? Perhaps you got something wrong?

Another point is that the game isnt finished yet, so dont expect it to be ready. If you just want to play you better choose the stable version which is defined now and then. They are for a mostly bug free playing pleasure.
If you are more for new features and stuff you play and up-to-date version, but dont expect it to be stable. While doing this you can help finding bugs and give the team a chance to fix them.

To 64 and 128 (and other sets):
This is just a case of taste. Play the set you like most. 128 will never exchange 64 as standard set (not for the moment). It was introduced once to have some bigger graphics for higher resolutions.

I dont comment the rest of your posting. Perhaps you think about it again.

And not every game has the same audience. Many games work like 'do a good thing' > 'get a reward'. It is these rewards that make a game fun to play.
I think however that the intended simutrans player will feel good, not only for making a profit (which is the essential game reward), but also for constructing something that works. The more difficult network you set out to create, the happier you are when you've finally made it. The tools needed for such complex networks may be confusing for younger or new players. But if they don't want to learn about the details of the game, there are many other games they can play.

There will always be some kind of a trade-off between simplicity and 'powerfullness' in a game (or in any programme). Simutrans is just a bit more to the power end of the scale. Transport Tycoon is probably a bit more towards the simple (=easy to use) side.

ie... someone put out a version that had a problem with the tree in factories and said if you don't like it this is what you can do to fix it. When he should have fixed it himself before putting it out or if he did not know how he should have used the forum to find out how and the n put it out thus taking the strain off the forum.

No. But i can tell you what the programmers dont need: people who complaining about gifts. Do you wanna know a reason why Hajo left the project? It was about people who always complain about things that dont work, but never lost a word about how great the game is. Instead of being glad about a great game that comes for free, you come here and write that versions run out too fast and that the programmers are too bad because the game got errors. Everything done for the game is done in free time and without reward. And also you cant compare current simutrans releases with commerical ones you buy, because there you always just see the finished product (which is nowadays even more buggy than simutrans).
However you can decide yourself if you want to play a stable version or take part of feature testing and bug finding in new versions and perhaps give new ideas for game improvement (what you mostly cant do in your perfect marketed games).

I agree with you and I don't want to sound like I'm bitching I was trying to help with the format of this site so as to make it easier on the people doing the work. If you look at what I said with an open mind you would see the sugestions I've already made. don't take offence. CONSTRUCTIVE  CRITISIM

You know, I do not want "to turn games into programmers". I am open for critics. But you have to be more specific.

Some remark to the 64 set, which I maintain. Could you please state, at what point the 64 became slower? If you compare the version 84 with a current one, the current ones are faster by a factor of ~1,5 (depending on you hardware) and consume less memory. (I develop it on a 700MHz machine, which is nearly vintage by todays point of view.)

Also I do not understand you point about "making the 64 into a pak128". What do you mean? There are about 10 new engines in for the timeline (which eats up almost no memeory compared to the maps). I am also annoyed by the size and the lag of the 128 on my computer, thus I upgraded also the 64 set.

And concerning errors. You do CNC-programming. Fine, do a car on your machine. It is not impossible, that the first try will work, only very unlikely. And Simutrans is at the moment 150000 lines of instructions. Thus there will be errors. Even commercial games are full of them. Try for example TransportGiant, a direct "competitor" but a commercial game. For a hobby project, this is quite stable imho.

Use a stable version for gaming, it is written at the top in the forum.

Also the legendary TTD comes not as a single file. But I undestand your need for a single player-only version.

Finally, simutrans is not a monolithic file, since it is open and evolving. Many people like it, because they could contribute easy.

Sorry, I'm totally lost trying to find your suggestions ... Only suggestion I found "splitting the forum" is not realistic and does not make much sense. Good prove for not splitting the forum is the creative explosion in the graphics area.
Also I see here a lot of "just players", please be a little more relaxed ...  Maybe a good task for you start improving the forum would be to collect information for the "just players". When well defined Isaac will create space (in case needed) to put this information.

 

To everyone else time for a cold beer!

Since I am played this for tests also with a pentium II 333, I think it should do with your machine, especially with 256MB. On old computers, -refresh 3 as start option may help.

Welcome!



Actually, Simutrans is a tranport simulation game that Hajo started, but a team of developers has worked on-- and *is* working on-- through several years. Development is ongoing.



I disagree with that statement. The announcement for a particular version has a link to basic instructions on installing the game, which, for pak64, consists of downloading two files, extracing them to the same place, and running the game. No installation required.



How many other forums on the Internet have you used? Sounds like not very many.



No, we want to have one single forum for the Simutrans community. In fact, there *are* sections for pak64 and pak128, which accomplishes what you seek. If you are only interested in one, you may easily ignore the other. The forum sections are even collapsible.



This forum is powered by SimpleMachines Forum software, running on my server. I enabled that feature as a useful and valid feature of the forum. I didn't think it up, but I set up the forum.

And now you call me pompous.

The useful and valid purpose it serves: When someone comes on the forum and is helpful, people will tend to vote positively for them. Conversely, troublemakers will attract negative votes. Therefore, it is a way for community members to give public feedback about each other anonymously.

If someone with a high positive karma posts an executable or wants a subdomain to develop some project, I'm much more likely to download or grant such a thing, than someone with a high negative karma.

Does this help you correct your mistaken understanding of the system?



Are you referring to something specific? (In which case, please provide a link to what you referece) Or are you making baseless allegations?



How is this not a moot point?

The game is free, and will remain so.



1. See my comments earlier about the ease of installation.

2. You are most welcome to go create your own game and make it work however you like.



Is the forum overwhelmed? I'm pretty sure you're the first person that thinks so...



And yet, the development team obviously felt that the other things they have done were good for the game-- or do you think they would waste hours and hours of their time *just* to release something that would make you unhappy???



What in the world do you mean by this?



That's not true.

Although it is true that pak128 requires more resources, pak64 is considered to be the main pak of the game, if for no other reason than Prissi prefer it, maintains it, and is the main developer of the game at this time. There are other paks that are at the 64x64 scale.

Pak128 is a major part of the Simutrans community/game, yes. It is, in my opinion, nearly as fundamental as pak64; but it is merely the first of the add-on paks...

However, I"m sure that *all* of the paks have fans that primarily or only play that particular pak.

People play what their computer can handle, and what they want to.



This is a game about simulating transport, not about economics.

It is good enough to have been sold -- so thank your lucky stars that it didn't get sold and die, but is a living, breathing project.

It has most certainly not turned into a monster. But if you think it has, you are most welcome to play whatever version you want.


You obviously did not read anything Hajo wrote about why he left the project. Please do not make assumptions.

Your comments are not merely harsh, but in many cases, baseless. Why do you want to call me names and make accusations against me?

Now I will continue to reply to other things you have written:


Simutrans required two-- TWO-- files to be downloaded for pak64. One executable, appropriate to your system; and the base pak64 file.


You're beginning to babble here, and I'm not understanding what you're saying...


These comments are unwelcome.


That is obvious. I recommend you do not give advice about things you know nothing about. I know better than to tell the developers how to write the game, because although I know certain languages, the things I know do not translate. Furthermore, it would not be my place, and I am aware of this.


Bullshit.

Programming is 10% writing code, and 90% debugging.


I again ask why you are posting this.


What are you talking about here?


Excuse me?

First of all, you are most CERTAINLY bitching. You have called me pompous (though you didn't pay attention enough to realize WHO it was you were calling pompous), you have bitched about this and that...

And you have the gall to call that constructive criticism?


Apparently, the forum *is* a game to you. Well, for the rest of us, it is not. *You* are the one that needs to "get a life".

I just got to this thread, and that is why I am just now replying to you.

I will write you a PM to fully get your attention, but I will also say this publicly:

At this moment in time, you are acting in an unacceptable manner. We, as a community, welcome debate. We welcome feedback, constructive criticism, ideas, problem reports, and more. We do NOT welcome whining, baseless accusations, and name-calling, of which you have done all.

If you do not reform your posting behaviour, I will take steps to remove your posting rights.

Please take care to write your replies in a more friendly format; take the time to discuss what it is that you dislike in specific, rather than making vague accusations.

Also, as I warned you elsewhere, please do not make multiple posts, one after the other. Replying to someone's reply is one thing; posting several times in a row with no good reason is against the rules of the forum. I do not enforce it except in cases where it gets out of hand, like yours.

I am removing 10 posts from your postcount as an approximation of the extra posts-- I believe that is conservative.

This issue has caught me at a relatively bad time-- normally, I check the forums for much of the day, as I'm sure most of you have guessed

But I have a show opening tonight, so I can only visit once or twice per day-- so I just got to this thread.

However, I will take special time out to monitor this situation -- time that could be used in the various projects I have going, including one in particular with Raven.

Raven, I'm sorry I'll have to delay getting to you on that project-- but I have to spend my time moderating here at the moment.

This will mean less sleep for me, as well...

I apologize to all that I was not here earlier to nip this in the bud. But I'm here now, and aware of it.

I'm locking this topic at this time. If anyone wishes to discuss, open a topic in Web Resources please...

At this time, I have unlocked the topic, as the crisis has passed... I'm not *encouraging* replies, but I will say this: If the discussion gets out of hand, locked it will go again.