I'm new to simutrans.
I think it's suppose to be a game that you can play that a gentleman from germany produced.
Actually, Simutrans is a tranport simulation game that Hajo started, but a team of developers has worked on-- and *is* working on-- through several years. Development is ongoing.
But your turning people into programers just to be able to play it.
I disagree with that statement. The announcement for a particular version has a link to basic instructions on installing the game, which, for pak64, consists of downloading two files, extracing them to the same place, and running the game. No installation required.
This forum is like a game not a forum. You almost have to be a programer just to use it. There are millions of people out there that are not programers.
How many other forums on the Internet have you used? Sounds like not very many.
You could start by having a forum for the 64 and a different one for the 128. That does not mean that someone could not make refference to the 128.
No, we want to have one single forum for the Simutrans community. In fact, there *are* sections for pak64 and pak128, which accomplishes what you seek. If you are only interested in one, you may easily ignore the other. The forum sections are even collapsible.
Whoever thought up the karma points turned this forum into a game and is pompous!
This forum is powered by SimpleMachines Forum software, running on my server. I enabled that feature as a useful and valid feature of the forum. I didn't think it up, but I set up the forum.
And now you call me pompous.
The useful and valid purpose it serves: When someone comes on the forum and is helpful, people will tend to vote positively for them. Conversely, troublemakers will attract negative votes. Therefore, it is a way for community members to give public feedback about each other anonymously.
If someone with a high positive karma posts an executable or wants a subdomain to develop some project, I'm much more likely to download or grant such a thing, than someone with a high negative karma.
Does this help you correct your mistaken understanding of the system?
Computers are suppose to be easy. so to call someone lazy who does not want to be a programer and just wants to play a game is wrong.
Are you referring to something specific? (In which case, please provide a link to what you referece) Or are you making baseless allegations?
Also not good business for a game that could have been marketed.
How is this not a moot point?
The game is free, and will remain so.
The programers should put together a game that does not need so much help in getting it to work.
1. See my comments earlier about the ease of installation.
2. You are most welcome to go create your own game and make it work however you like.
Then the forum would not be so overwhelmed.
Is the forum overwhelmed? I'm pretty sure you're the first person that thinks so...
The game: the 84 version was good, other than some of the graphics that could be tweeked. Thing like the food pak are good.And if one could get the bridges to look real like in the new versions, I think that would be sufficant.
And yet, the development team obviously felt that the other things they have done were good for the game-- or do you think they would waste hours and hours of their time *just* to release something that would make you unhappy???
You are turning the 64 into the 128, or trying to and that can't be done.
What in the world do you mean by this?
Most people don't have the means to upgrade their equipment a the drop of a hat, and the 64 is for people that can't play the 128.
That's not true.
Although it is true that pak128 requires more resources, pak64 is considered to be the main pak of the game, if for no other reason than Prissi prefer it, maintains it, and is the main developer of the game at this time. There are other paks that are at the 64x64 scale.
Pak128 is a major part of the Simutrans community/game, yes. It is, in my opinion, nearly as fundamental as pak64; but it is merely the first of the add-on paks...
However, I"m sure that *all* of the paks have fans that primarily or only play that particular pak.
People play what their computer can handle, and what they want to.
This is a game about economics, and it also could have been marketed, but it's turned into a monster.
This is a game about simulating transport, not about economics.
It is good enough to have been sold -- so thank your lucky stars that it didn't get sold and die, but is a living, breathing project.
It has most certainly not turned into a monster. But if you think it has, you are most welcome to play whatever version you want.
Thats probably why the creator bailed. Sorry if I seemed harsh, I am new to the game and this is just what I've noticed in the short time I've been here.
You obviously did not read anything Hajo wrote about why he left the project. Please do not make assumptions.
Your comments are not merely harsh, but in many cases, baseless. Why do you want to call me names and make accusations against me?
Now I will continue to reply to other things you have written:
Most games don't need all these files to be download. you just put in a disk and play.
Simutrans required two-- TWO-- files to be downloaded for pak64. One executable, appropriate to your system; and the base pak64 file.
As far as newer versions you start to use up the computer before you've even started to play I imagine that if you actually played for a while it would not work even if you have a better computer upgrades are coming out faster than one can even play the game to see how they work.
You're beginning to babble here, and I'm not understanding what you're saying...
I guess what your saying is that this programers need help!?Huh??
These comments are unwelcome.
I program computerized machinery and it's a totally different language. I would not know the first thing about programing a game.
That is obvious. I recommend you do not give advice about things you know nothing about. I know better than to tell the developers how to write the game, because although I know certain languages, the things I know do not translate. Furthermore, it would not be my place, and I am aware of this.
but I do know that in programing machinery you have to be good. you can't afford to make mistakes. If the people doing the programing were good at what they do you would not have all the problems period.
Programming is 10% writing code, and 90% debugging.
Are those who call others lazy , lazy them selves!
I again ask why you are posting this.
ie... someone put out a version that had a problem with the tree in factories and said if you don't like it this is what you can do to fix it. When he should have fixed it himself before putting it out or if he did not know how he should have used the forum to find out how and the n put it out thus taking the strain off the forum.
What are you talking about here?
I agree with you and I don't want to sound like I'm bitching I was trying to help with the format of this site so as to make it easier on the people doing the work. If you look at what I said with an open mind you would see the sugestions I've already made. don't take offence. CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISIM
First of all, you are most CERTAINLY bitching. You have called me pompous (though you didn't pay attention enough to realize WHO it was you were calling pompous), you have bitched about this and that...
And you have the gall to call that constructive criticism?
For some people this site is the game. They can feel like somebody. Not all, but some and to those people get a life. As far as the game, I hope I can help in the future.
Apparently, the forum *is* a game to you. Well, for the rest of us, it is not. *You* are the one that needs to "get a life".
I just got to this thread, and that is why I am just now replying to you.
I will write you a PM to fully get your attention, but I will also say this publicly:
At this moment in time, you are acting in an unacceptable manner. We, as a community, welcome debate. We welcome feedback, constructive criticism, ideas, problem reports, and more. We do NOT welcome whining, baseless accusations, and name-calling, of which you have done all.
If you do not reform your posting behaviour, I will take steps to remove your posting rights.
Please take care to write your replies in a more friendly format; take the time to discuss what it is that you dislike in specific, rather than making vague accusations.
Also, as I warned you elsewhere, please do not make multiple posts, one after the other. Replying to someone's reply is one thing; posting several times in a row with no good reason is against the rules of the forum. I do not enforce it except in cases where it gets out of hand, like yours.
I am removing 10 posts from your postcount as an approximation of the extra posts-- I believe that is conservative.