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Simutrans 86.07
« on: August 13, 2005, 05:35:13 PM »
Many small annoying thing fixed. New graphics added for harbours and station buildings (see the image). Many internal structures cleaned up.

- non-square maps
- presignals now also show the block last requested (three state signals)
- citycars now try to trun if they are stuck in a traffic jam for more than three days. If this was not sucessful, they will report the traffic jam.
- roadsigns and citycars will be deleted first.
- new sorting in station info for next destination (cumulative)
- new priority boarding: first loading for the next stop. This allows running local and express lines between the same stations without blocking the local line by too many people waiting for the direct express.
- more than one cityinfo window which also remembers the setting for each city.
and many things more. Read the history below.

And now, please, all people we sucessfully prayed for bad weather in germany, put in a break please Wink

http://64.simutrans.com/simuwin-86-07.zip (updated)
http://64.simutrans.com/simulinux-86-07.zip (updated)

Pak64
http://64.simutrans.com/simupak64-86-07.zip (updated)
http://64.simutrans.com/food64-86-06.zip
http://64.simutrans.com/waste64-86-03.zip

Japan Pak64
http://64.simutrans.com/pakjapan-86-05-1.zip

German Pak64 (alpha)
http://64.simutrans.com/pakgerman-86-07.zip basis (only passenger/mail) (updated)
Industry add-ons for german pak:
http://64.simutrans.com/germancar-86-05-1.zip
http://64.simutrans.com/germanbooks-86-03-3.zip
http://64.simutrans.com/germandrink-86-04.zip
http://64.simutrans.com/germanpharma-86-03.zip
http://64.simutrans.com/germanwaste-86-03.zip

Pak128 1.2.0
http://128.simutrans.com/download/pak128.rar
http://64.simutrans.com/new-slope-128.zip extended slopes for nicer display

Japanese Users: Use this translation file form HW-Katakana input (keyboard to kana mode):
http://64.simutrans.com/simu-ja-text-86-04.zip

And of course greateful for Isaac for his free hosting!

Known bugs: (hard to fix)
   Citycars are visible after loading even in a tunnel until the hop onto the next field
   Citycars cannot go around a 180 degree road bend


Release of 86.07

13-Jul-2005 (prissi)
   Internal cleaning up of some data structures => more run-time memory, preparation for other machines/64 Bit
   Repaired/Changed some code to make it compatible with DevCpp
   Changed the list handling code: There was a lot of uneeded memory use (class instead struct) and some overhead. Also more friendly to different compilers.
   Changed the mempool code: Reuse the blocks also used for the list handling code (will be alway size of 4, 8, 12, ... bytes up)

   CHANGE: removing now first deletes citycars, then roadsigns/signals, otherwise like before
   FIX: key help dialog is now a magic one (only open once)
   FIX: limit maximum speed even hill down to maximum_speed+20 (higher speed would likely cause a derailment in reality)
   FIX: now the absolute year is saved (avoid cheats) With saving and reloading every 500 years or so this should allow unlimited long games.
   CHANGE: Non-quadratic maps (my favorite is always 512x256)
   CHANGE: Unmagic cityinfo (so you can open more than one) and city info does not forget its settings anymore
   CHANGE: try to built a little more straighter road/tracks also for diagonals (not 100% working yet)
   ADD: presignals now posess a third stage, i.e. next block free, but nextnext one still not free
   FIX: Paranoia check during loading can partly repair broken savegames during loading/saving
   CHANGE: vehicle values drops now 50% in 20 xears and changes monthly.
   CHANGE: passengers and goods are first loaded for the nearest stations the convoi goes. This allows to built local and station skipping highspeed lines.
   ADD: after three month not moving, citycars will turn around. If still stuck, they will report "To heavy traffic\nresults in traffic jam.\n" as a problem
   CHANGE: citycars will wait for next free hop in a step() (saveing lots of calculation time)
   CHANGE: autosave value gives now interval in month (0=off)
   FIX: no more redraw errors with slopes behind buildings
   CHANGE: sorting by number of passenger for the next destination (i.e. connecting to xyz)
   
   64 Graphcis:
   ADD: new station building and new harbours from timeshock/converted 128px graphics
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Re: Simutrans 86.07
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2005, 04:18:00 AM »
Quote from: prissi on August 13, 2005, 05:35:13 PM
New graphics added for harbours and station buildings (see the image).
Woah! Spiffy! I played pak128 a little earlier; haven't played with pak64 yet, but that looks great!
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- non-square maps
Nice. Oh, how nice it is... So of course, the first thing I did was to create a 4096x64 map.

That is COOL!

And PERFECT TIMING to play with highways -- perfect for one huge long highway! :-D And counting the number of tiles, it's like a 512x512 map -- it does seem to run something like that, so that's rocking cool!
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- roadsigns and citycars will be deleted first.
Yay! :-D
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And now, please, all people we sucessfully prayed for bad weather in germany, put in a break please Wink
Sorry about that. I'll try to remember next time...  Wink
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   FIX: now the absolute year is saved (avoid cheats) With saving and reloading every 500 years or so this should allow unlimited long games.
You know, I'm especially glad for this -- previously, I would start new games most of the time I started up Simutrans- but starting with 86.06, I find that I'm wanting to play those 'old' games more -  I have about 4 games now with various larger map sizes that I'm spending more time making larger networks....
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   CHANGE: Non-quadratic maps (my favorite is always 512x256)
Not as cool as 4096x64, though Wink
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   CHANGE: passengers and goods are first loaded for the nearest stations the convoi goes. This allows to built local and station skipping highspeed lines.
This sounds like it could be a revolutionary shift in the way that works... I can't wait to get a network complex enough to really comprehend what it means to the gameplay :-D

...

You know, it's easier to give praise and thanks for "cool" things, and harder to remember to do so for bugfixes (because we humans tend to think that things should work, so we don't appreciate it when they *do*, I think); but I have to say that there have been so many cool things recently that it is NOT at all hard to remember to thank you for your hard work.

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Re: Simutrans 86.07
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2005, 04:53:22 AM »
Why stop rain? great things happen when its raining  Evil

prissi, you are the worlds best  railway man - also never forget Hajo to start this fine project!



 angel I have the same weather here near Heidelberg ...
It might be the end of the brain here ...

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Re: Simutrans 86.07
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2005, 05:42:04 AM »
Erm... I notice that with 86.07, if you build a road that has a straight path through city buildings (i.e. houses, etc - not special buildings), it auto-bulldozes...

Have I not noticed this behaviour starting with a previous version, or is this new?

I think I like it-- but it surprised me, and will take some getting used to... :-D
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Re: Simutrans 86.07
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2005, 06:01:21 AM »
great enhancements!

and all this due to the "nice" "sunny" weather here we can look forward to many great things coming within the next weeks, months, years ...


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ok, just kidding: but great work!

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Re: Simutrans 86.07
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2005, 06:28:04 AM »
Great work Prissi,
mostly non square maps  Grin

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Re: Simutrans 86.07
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2005, 07:56:13 AM »
Hi folks in the new forum!

@prissi
great changes! Thank you!

But my clock runs and my calendar sticks at January 1930.

If year is stored in savegame now, could we get a field to set the start in the 'new world' dialog. And could the settings be saved in the config file?
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Re: Simutrans 86.07
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2005, 08:27:15 AM »
Quote from: BerndGabriel on August 14, 2005, 07:56:13 AM
And could the settings be saved in the config file?

The starting year is already set in ./simutrans/config/simuconf.tab

Quote from: simuconf.tab
###################################game stuff###################################

# Enforce vehicle introduction dates?
# 0 = all vehicles available from start of the game
# 1 = use introduction dates
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use_timeline = 1

# Starting year of the game:
# Setting it below 1930 is not recommended!
# You will have problems with missing vehicles, do not complain if you do so!
# Setting it above 2050 will render game bit boring - no new vehicles.
starting_year = 1930
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Re: Simutrans 86.07
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2005, 09:26:25 AM »
I know! But I'm very lazy Undecided and every download overwrites my settings  Embarrassed and 1930 there are no electric trains Embarrassed
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Re: Simutrans 86.07
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2005, 09:56:15 AM »
Oh, after reloading the saved game, time passes by correctly now  Smiley
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Re: Simutrans 86.07
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2005, 10:02:59 AM »
Quote from: BerndGabriel on August 14, 2005, 09:26:25 AM
I know! But I'm very lazy Undecided and every download overwrites my settings Embarrassed and 1930 there are no electric trains Embarrassed

Meh... this has been an issue for a long, long time, and will surely be one for quite some time...

Besides, unless something is added to the config file, you could extract the files to a new folder and copy over the config...

(seems like changes to the config file are relatively rare compared to new versions of Simutrans)
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Re: Simutrans 86.07
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2005, 01:50:15 PM »
These changes are terrific.

Thanks Prissi.

Could you please, pretty please, convert those harbours/docks to PAK128. the existing little ones are a bit mundane, and the PAK64 ones have been around for a little while now.

Regards

Colin
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Re: Simutrans 86.07
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2005, 11:51:51 PM »
I would like to ask why the citycars disappered while I open the game? (Althrough I have growth the city)

Thanks for answering.
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Re: Simutrans 86.07
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2005, 02:46:29 AM »
Quote from: BillCWA on August 14, 2005, 01:50:15 PM
Could you please, pretty please, convert those harbours/docks to PAK128. the existing little ones are a bit mundane, and the PAK64 ones have been around for a little while now.

I believe it would probably be one of the folks doing graphics, rather than Prissi, who would do something like that...
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Re: Simutrans 86.07
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2005, 03:44:09 AM »
Last Edit: August 15, 2005, 03:58:59 AM by prissi
Unlikely to happen for the same:

The lighthouse exists in 128, but: The crane is pixel drawn, like most of the other tiles.

However, I suggest to ask the right Patrick nicely, an he is also quite good a doing some pixel tricks. The 64 source source is http://members.aol.com/elhazard021/simu/hafen.zip.

By the way: 86.07 does not recognize building as buildings. Tonight I will compile a new one without this error.
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cool!
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2005, 04:26:57 AM »
Last Edit: August 15, 2005, 05:01:18 AM by Isaac.Eiland-Hall
NO cars! so cool!

Edit: Your post was most certainly not an announcement... I assume it's in regards to 86.07, since I have noticed a great reduction in the number of citycars in this latest version, thus I'm putting it here. If my assumption was incorrect, please consider giving more details in your post...
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Re: cool!
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2005, 04:44:26 AM »
Last Edit: August 15, 2005, 05:02:27 AM by Isaac.Eiland-Hall
erm, care to explain that a bit?

Edit: I went ahead and merged your reply into this thread as well, but I'm putting this note here so people understand the reason for your reply -- that the above post was a thread in the Announcements board... :-)
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Re: cool!
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2005, 05:07:58 AM »
Quote from: uktrain on August 15, 2005, 04:26:57 AM
NO cars! so cool!

If your post was meant honestly to mean that you thought it was cool that there were no cars, then you should look carefully when you start a city, as there is a control there to set the amount of traffic. You can set it to 0 if you like having no cars....

If your message was meant sarcastically, to indicate a problem, then you did not give nearly enough information for it to have any use...

Meanwhile -- I don't recall whether or not I posted yet on the topic of low numbers of cars, so I'll do so here:

It appears to me that there are quite a few less cars in 86.07 -- as with the problems of the buildings that have been mentioned... I think pak128 looks normal - but I haven't yet tried increating city size drastically to make sure yet...

It seems like there must be some simple typo or something in some basic parameter that's causing the traffic and the buildings to be at such a low level... Was something changed in the city-size code? Because it's almost like there's a variable that defines the effects of each 100 citysize, and that figure got changed, so that what used to take 1000 now takes 10000 or 100000...

I grew a pak64 city to proportions that would support the largest skyscrapers, but nearly the entire city was made up of small houses and parking lots... And there was barely any traffic - maybe 4 or 5 cars, in a city that should have been teeming...
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Re: Simutrans 86.07
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2005, 05:12:38 AM »
Another strange thing,

I have station with 5.000 happy people, 700 unhappy and 7.000 didn´t find a route (that´s not strange). But I have it for some 5 years (permanently).

Should I somewhere (if so, where?) change refresh of data at stations manually, or is it a bug?

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Re: Simutrans 86.07
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2005, 05:27:15 AM »
I just went in a grew a city in pak128....

Huge size, all small houses and nearly no traffic at all...

So it appears to be a global problem - at least for me...

As I grow the city, I watch the city info window this time -- although the size goes up, whatever that second line is stays the same - it's currently ~"104,000 - 183,000" - don't hae exacnt numbers, but it has not moved...

I'm up to city size ~1,500,000 and it's still all small houses and no traffic...
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Re: Simutrans 86.07
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2005, 06:29:30 AM »
As I said before, this version is broken and does not recognize houses as houses. Thus it will built a new house over an existing one. Please wait for update.
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Re: Simutrans 86.07
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2005, 08:41:22 AM »
I'm sorry, Prissi - I totally managed to miss that somehow.

I'll keep an eye out for future threads that seem to note this behaviour and post info there. :-D
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Re: Simutrans 86.07
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2005, 06:28:31 AM »
   The updated Simuwin link doesn't work.  Patrick M
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« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2005, 10:03:31 AM »
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The updated Simuwin link doesn't work.  Patrick M
Presumably because it's been replaced with 86.07.1
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« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2005, 09:37:13 AM »
Last Edit: August 25, 2005, 02:13:35 PM by Isaac.Eiland-Hall
Hello,
I just joined this forum and I like the way it works! I downloaded version 86-07-1 and succeeded in installing the pak128 set. Great work, many attractive options!
However I did not find the extended shipstop facilities which were available in the 64-version. Any plans to introduce them?
I'm playing Simutrans for about one year and I still like the game, thanks to all who contributed.
wipi35

Edit: This post was started as a topic, but I merged it here as it touched on something already discussed in this topic. No criticism of this poster is expressed or implied. Smiley
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« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2005, 10:37:47 AM »
Last Edit: August 25, 2005, 02:14:16 PM by Isaac.Eiland-Hall
I think I have red something about that that said it will be implemented later but I don't find the topic about that...

Edit: (post was part of the merged topic)
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